Billy Bunkie The Science Junkie

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Thursday, September 28, 2006

The Hydrogen Car

I have just done the necessary math to produce a vehicle that runs on water and produces an in-piston 525hp on a 2.0 liter V-2 engine at 1000 rpm. It uses an insanely small amount of fuel. If you like science, engineering, math, and chemistry, you will love the text below.

I will give a more compact and formal write-up on later in the week.

For the time being, AutoCompanies, your days are LTD. The text is made tiny for the purpose of space. It is the 'fine print' of the chemistry. If you don't believe me, read the fine print. 525hp at 1000rpm in 2000cc. Unreasonable mpg.

You could probably make a simple one if you look at and search for Stanley Meyer or 'water splitting'.

"Hydrogen fuel.

~10 H2 atoms per cc is natural. This will need to be compressed considerably to produce the level of thrust i am seeking. Since it will be gas, it will be possible to compress it dramatically. I imagine we could have a piston full of oxygen that then has bursts of hydrogen pumped into it.

A slick gear system can divide the packets of hydrogen to be dispensed into each piston at a time. More pedal will put more gas in each gearspace. They will release into the piston and boom. At very high pedal action, the gears will turn faster and produce more hydrogen. This will cause larger and more frequent bursts to the pistons.

The hydrogen will be split from water. Equal reactive parts of hydrogen and water come form splitting.

A [v.] small amount of the gasses will be stored in bubbles for dumping purposes. I imagine a backup of N 'rolls' or pistons full of hydrogen and equal oxygen parts will be kept in a bubble pouch about the size of a soccer ball.

The figure N should be no greater than the largest bump in acceleration the car could anticipate. For example, at idling approximately zero hydrogen will be processed from water. This should be enough to keep the engine turning at maybe 200 rpm. Or it could even stop-idle. That would be a seperate feature.

Basically I don't want to lose momentum on the pistons, so even as low as about 180rpm, 3 revolutions per second, well, that should be more than plenty to keep the unit engaged and in motion. It could go down to 120 or 60rpm.

But at its peak I'd expect a few thousand rpm. Instead we should allow a little air to leak into the hydrogen-filled piston. That will work better. We'll just reverse the process by squirting the h2 into the piston and o2 into the gear. the o2 will be the combustate reactor. As much o2 split as is put through the gear in h2 will be put into the piston for ~100% reaction.

hydrogen burns at 325 btu/cubic foot. 1 btu is approximately 1060 joules of energy. it is also 778-782 foot pounds of force. 1 hp is 2540 btu/h. I expect to give this car 500hp. we'll need to produce 21,166 & 2/3 cubic feet of hydrogen per minute. a cubic foot is 12" X 12".

A cubic meter is 30c X 30c X30c. 2700cc. 10 atoms per cc of hydrogen. this will be easily compressed into the piston. that is only 27,000 atoms of hydrogen per cubic foot. that is 190.5 million [x30] hydrogen atoms per minute to achieve 500hp, engine. we need to find an acceptable level of compression and rpm to burn [30]190.5mh2 every minute.

[***note here that a correction has been made to the original hypothesis. 1 cubic foot is 2700cc, not 900cc. For this purpose, the hydrogen will ideally be compressed 30:1 into the pistons. This will require moderate compression systems. Since the engine was already 2-liters, it would be senseless to make it 60-liters uncompressed. However, it can be made 4-liters and comrpession rates of 15:1. Standard gasoline vehicles receive 15:1 compression. Many diesels get 25:1 compression. 30:1 compression is not out of field. Furthermore, this figure does little to affect the hours of operation. 103 Quintillion, as shown below, /30, = about 3 quintillion hours of operation per gallon of water. X 2/3 for special electrolysis costs = about 2 quintillion hours. Thank you, please adjust figures accordingly.

Furthermore, the 1000RPM level is quite low. This could be increased to 3000RPM and the compression requirement reduced to 10:1, which is easily forseeable.***]

I'd like this to technically be a V4 approaching 500hp, with jugs the size of paint cans. let's see what we can do to approach that. I'll give it one cubic foot per piston. that is 4 pistons each rotating once, giving 900cc each of element. let's bump it up 11% and call it 1000CC per paint can cylinder/piston. we can do that. if necessary, we'll cut them in half and call it 500CC per. [The engine size change and compression in light of 30X has been debated above.]

4000cc per stroke. [30]190.5mh2/minute. at 1:1 gas compression that would be [30]19.05 million cc, having 10h2 per cc. to turn [30]19,050,000 atoms into 4000cc... [maximum] we'd need to compress the hydrogen to 476:1 ratio. that is substantial power requirement to compress.

[skipped. This was the figure at 1rpm.]
If we can squeeze 4760 hydrogen atoms into each cc instead of the ambient 10/cc, we will achieve 500hp in 4000cc of engine. a 4.0 liter engine they say. We could probably ease that up by giving it an 8.0 liter hydrogen engine, but that may not be necessary. I'd like to keep the hydrogen engine as small as possible. 8 liters would ease the cc requirement to only 237:1. 2370 hydrogen atoms/cc. That is a lot of power for the bang! That thing will be a dang vacuum until the oxygen gets there.

2hs[g] + o2{g] = 2h2o[i] + 572kJ. hydrogen is naturally at 0*C 101.325kpa 0.08988g/L.

I am merely concerned about how dense we can compress hydrogen, so as not to melt the engine from its compressed gas principle, or to discover that it is very difficult to compress the gas to that level.

well, wait. if we wanted to put 19,005,000 into 4000cc, that would be at 1 rpm. That would destroy the vehicle. We could easily fill 4000cc 1000 times [1000rpm]. We would achieve 19,050,000 atoms at 4000cc in G rpm. that means 4762 atoms per cc per minute. if the ambient case is 10/cc, we could spin it at 476.2rpm without compression and achieve this measure. 500hp.

For each 476.2RPM we spin, we will produce ~500hp, using only a 4.0 liter engine. This is fantaCtic. We could spin it at 5000rpm and produce over 8000hp. Or we could get it to 5000rpm peak and have it be only a one half liter engine, with 250cc per banger v2.

Or we could compress it to 10X normal, which seems easily achievable, and duplicate the same results as either of those situations and get 8000hp at 5000rpm in the 500cc engine. I think we should go with non-compressed hydrogen, because compression is irritating and the earth's atmosphere, or the natural level of oxygen per water, can do it for us without compression costs.

This is using split water hydrogen fuel as a normal combustion fuel, not for an enzyme-enhanced room-temperature fuel cell, which would reach temperatures of perhaps 80*F. This is combustion engine technology. The water would supposedly be dumped. I should like it to be vaporized on very cold days so the roads do not get slick.

So basically we'll have to put a cap on this hideous monster at probably about 600-750hp, so it doesn't tear itself apart. Unfortunately, this will mean that a peak engine spin of 1000rpm should be produced, mostly for low noise I suppose. 500hp at 476.2rpm would mean that a 4000cc engine will get 1050hp at 1000rpm. Because this is not the goal, and 500hp is the goal, we will need to reduce the engine size from 4000cc probably to the twin banger 2000cc, and just call 525hp overhead cheating on the goal of 500hp.

I would attach this 2000cc, 525hp @ 1000rpm engine to a multitronic transmission of the strongest variety. Let's also see. We will use a maximum of 19,050,000 hydrogen atoms per minute. That would be at full throttle. I expect then to use only 9,525,000 molecules of water per minute. How much water would this be?

I will assume the gallon is at 86*F/30*C. water is 18.0153g/mol. One mole of water is 6.0221415 X10^23 molecules.

602,214,150,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water = 18.0153 grams? that is ridiculous. Pure chicanery. 1 gallon of water weighs ~8 pounds, like 3,600g. That would call it about 200 moles of water becoming 1 gallon. I only need 19,050,000 hydrogen atoms per minute. This thing will use ~0 water.

That means that there are 31,000,000,000,000,000 minutes worth of 525hp production per mole of water.
That is 31,000 trillion minutes of 525hp output per mole of water. That is 103,000 trillion hours.

I can't turn that into mpg.

Something must be wrong. I believe I have made 3 errors. One may be in a fact I have stated. Can you find them? Well, regardless, it will take only a very small amount of energy to turn enough water into hydrogen and oxygen using the atomic ringing principle of Hz frequency. This will use less than 1hp. You can run your stereo on another hp, and the AC on 6 more hp. That gives you a 517hp car that gets many trillions of hours of runtime to the gallon of water.

Well, now for the other fun parts. What kind of body and build should I put on this hydrowater vehicle? I can use the plain engine to power and run an immense array of freight vehicles and every passenger automotive. Probably scaled down to the 300hp range for convenience. We can run planes on this kind of power, because you should only need like 2 gallons of water to do the trick. Stanley Meyer drove from NY to LA on something in the range of 2 or 22 gallons of water.

Ideally I'd like the car to filter urine so you've always got fuel, even if you can't find pure water. I would give it a carbon fiber body using the special electrolysis technique that I described to forge and purify coal carbon into carbon chains. I'd make the body of hard rubber with metal meshes running through it and give it a healthy skeletal system of carbon fiber for accident protection. I've made estimates before, putting the body weight here at around 800 pounds, which would easily receive 5* rating.

Then the engine itself, a mere 2 liters and V twin, would probably be heftable by a single man. I could also probably afford to make it from enamel embalmed ceramics, and case that in carbon fiber so it would not shatter or break. I'd call it 150 pounds or less. I'd assemble it as a single unit and then encase it. It would not need to be opened. If not, I could probably compartmentalize or buffer it on struts.

A fuel tank of two gallons is just fine. That would be about 20 pounds. Give it 4 broad slick tires and the optional/experimental Rochelle salt wheel and shock system. The tires I estimate would be extra tall with body area cut out for them under the hood and a shield or bars protecting them from the road and foreign objects. They must be extremely widely cammable. I would also center the gravity at as close to 1' off the ground as possible, and give it a 10" clearance, with wheel room indeed. I'd put an adjustable spoiler on the back coz we will need it at 525hp.

The multitronic transmission makes sense with such a huge engine. It should be remarkably light and have few moving pieces. I might make it ceramic as well, since no gears will ever be shifting. I could possibly give it a torque-shield so as not to shatter itself, or just make it from metal.

It'd come in tudor and 4-door. Wheels that could optionally swivel around to hug turns. No scoop is necessary from water splitting, exhaust is up to 2 gallons of water. It could spin up a compressor to provide vortex-tube style coolantless cooling, and heating when necessary, and also use scoops to capture psi. Tires would autoinflate.

Fuel guage, compass, nothing wireless unless you've got a laptop inside. AC/DC plug, ambient 8hz [e-] field beacon. Adjustable in BIOS among any non-harmful frequency, including FCC level broadcast, with automatic 20' antenna, and em field generators pointed around the antenna to work with pulling and strengthening signals.

Airbags, carbon fiber oriented crumple/shatter zones. Electric start using a supercapacitor. Seats that inflate and mechanically change shape to basically any position. They must also fold down to become suitable cot/bedlike structures. The steering wheel should be unlockable like a racecar, using a trunk key. The glovebox should not be lockable.

Ambient car lighting is obviously standard, in numerous optional LED colors and on various fade patterns. I may use focused LED frontlights, but they have very low watt/lumen ratios. It might wind up being energy efficient capacitated bulbs until I can broadcast signal in the visible range.

I suppose I should be able to turn all the windows into displays and run driving simulations or watch surround-picture DVDs like a drive in movie in my car. The windows should be unbreakable. The taillights should be unbreakable. The bumper should be a 6"X block of rubber with metal rods through it, and 6X3" on the sides. I might fancy those fliplights, or it could come to a grill at the front. It depends on what we have to work with. The grill would probably be stronger, but a 2 liter engine is tiny. I will not need a lot of hood. But I'd like a lot of hood. Maybe I can put the engine in the back of the car and use the front for luggage and a small room. It'd have tiny fadable windows, interior lights, and would not be lockable from the interior. How gangster could I get this setup? It'd have a tent to be pitched. It'd have cushions. The trunk opens, and there is a tarp you can pull down to make it a dome. That is living. It must also be 6' square. Maybe make it 7' long interior so I can lay down, and have some side divits for the wheelhubs, which are also seats. The hood will have to be bendable in two sections, adjustable to any angle and lockable at that angle, and rainproof at any angle. The structural integrity of the cabin must not be compromised by the engine's absence.

I want to be able to survive 100mph collisions from the front end. That means that this tent area must have crumple and shatter zones, it must be solidly constructed, it must have a skeletal system, and it must have airbags internal to itself for the car to crash into. I don't care if they pop some. Let them pop and diffuse newtons.

At 525hp [engine], weighing in at let's call it 1100 pounds unloaded, featuring a multitronic transmission that is ~90% efficient, [best electrics get to 95.3%. or I could use a fuel cell and electric tranny per wheel] it should show up with about 475hp at the road. How fast can this take a car with an industry-favorable air resistance? Top speed level terrain?

What is the 0-60 of the vehicle? Well, a low 5 is good for a 450-500hp engine. However, this is in cars weighing perhaps 3X as much or more. Using a mechanical crankshaft getting at best 75% efficiency. With 15% extra efficiency and about 1/3 as much weight, I'd expect that thing to pull a 3-second 0-60, or maybe lower, according to educated speculation at .

I am reading that the BMW 7-series 500hp engine gets to 155mph. That means it has about 375hp at the road. I expect this car to have 475hp on the road. And it is again 1/3 as heavy as the 7-series. I cannot compare this vehicle.

According to, a twin turbo flat-6 producing 600bhp@7200rpm in a 6 speed manual 2480lb vehicle, the top speed is 174mph. The car I will work with is again half as heavy and has a more efficienct transmission, but the wheel-hp should be comparable. I presume the hydrogen vehicle should approach 200mph or more, due to its lightness with a similar engine to the previous.

Then again, I could double the RPM and nearly double the Hp produced. Getting 1000hp from 2000cc hydrogen engine is not apparently a difficult task. The car probably does not need to go faster than 200mph ever, and probably shouldn't either. The 600hp's 0-60 was 3.5. That gives me a lot of hope as well. I bet the hydrogen car can break 2 seconds. "

Let it also be known that I want this science to go to peace and not towards producing fighting or wars. Let it be activated to cease the end-stage oil wars and economic competition. There is so enough for everyone. Build the infrastructure, build the economic model that can handle plentitude and robotic labor, and make mankind a fine time.

One of the other major factors of this post is the midbody airbag. I *demand* that 2008 model vehicles come equipped with mid-body airbags, such as in the engine, behind the bumper, to act as 'pop-zones' on the vehicle to diffuse newtons in major accidents. They are like airbags for the car. The car counts too, because you're in it. (c) Use it.

"The US Department of Energy reports that in 2002, the United States economy consumed 97.6 quadrillion BTUs (quad BTUs)." -wikipedia. 1 hp = 2540 btu/hour.


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